Have you ever opend a MOC/MIP/MIB?

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I think this bothers people so much becuase there's only a limitid number of MOC's.
And like others said, once opend they can never go back.
And no one can tell me that they have only seen one pony MOC - never loose. And use that as an excuse to get the pony cuz' they have never seen it.

In my eyes MOC's are something completely different than the loose. They are a whole other type of collection. That's why I think it bothers people who collect MOC's too see those who doesn't care at all buying them right in front of their noses just to rip them open -taking away another piece of a whole other kind of collection.
Sure - when you pay for it it's yours. No one can argue with that. But like others said, why not buy a loose one since you collect loose ponies and leave the MOC ponies for the MOC collectors.
Like buying a rare Spiderman figure if you're not a Spiderman-collector right infront of all the serious collectors just because you can? Money makes a difference but so does sentimental value if you can put it that way. Too MOC collectors MOC ponies means something.
I mean - I have MOC ponies that still look like they did when they came out of the facotry... Years beafore I even was born. Now that's cool.

Besides - if the pony do get ruind by the card and you just can't see it snce it's on the card, then it's better to have it on the card, not kowing or seeing that the pony is ruind than open it and find out.

Totaly agree with Glorfindels last post as well.

But just like I thought this has feard this has turned out to a debate wheather or not you should open or not open them - which wasn't the original question =/ Good too see that things are still calm though =P
 
How many of us have bought "mint" ponies, for quite high prices, only to find they are not mint at all? Only this week I received a "mint" (that's how she was described) Princess Tiffany/Pearl - she has pink highlighter on her NDS!!! I for one don't blame anyone who gets completely sick of this game and buys a MOC pony to open, just so they can be sure that she actullay IS mint. Well, apart from the factory flaws of course :D

For me there are two key points here. The first is that this is a free market economy and that means people can own property by paying the highest price for it, and do what they want with it if it doesn't hurt anyone else. It's about freedom, people. Would we rather live in a society where this is not allowed? And no, depriving other collectors of the chance to own that pony MOC does not count as hurting them! If you take this argument to its logical conclusion, none of us should open any ponies, including that new Butterfly Island set you just bought!

Secondly, these items are plastic toys. They were created to be played with by children. There are millions of them out there and they are ephemeral. It really, really doesn't matter, in the great scheme of things, whether or not a MOC Ice Crystal exists in the universe. He is not a painting by Titian.

OK, hope this post is not inflammatory. I understand that other people have a different point of view. But I would really not like to live in a society where somebody else tells me what I can or cannot do with my own plastic toys.

Oh yes, and to get back on topic, I own a Baby Sunribbon MOC (the card is pretty rough) and I plan on opening her on my birthday.
 
ukconfetti said:
The first is that this is a free market economy and that means people can own property by paying the highest price for it, and do what they want with it if it doesn't hurt anyone else.
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Well to some MOC collectors it is painfull to hear that probably the last of that pony has been ripped open =P

ukconfetti said:
If you take this argument to its logical conclusion, none of us should open any ponies, including that new Butterfly Island set you just bought!
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I actually doesn't open my new Butterfly Island ponies unless I get 2. And I know there's a lof of people who doesn't.

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Secondly, these items are plastic toys. They were created to be played with by children. There are millions of them out there and they are ephemeral. It really, really doesn't matter, in the great scheme of things, whether or not a MOC Ice Crystal exists in the universe. He is not a painting by Titian.
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Like I said beafore, I know these are not famous paintings, but they are more than toys, they are collectibles now and in a collectors eyes (A MOC collector now) they are worth just as much.
 
Like I said beafore, I know these are not famous paintings, but they are more than toys, they are collectibles now and in a collectors eyes (A MOC collector now) they are worth just as much.[/quote]

Are you serious Desert Rose?

I noticed you used the word 'holy' about ponies in a previous post. :shock: . There must be posters here who are devout and I am surprised none of them have taken exception to this.

You say you don't want to start a flame war and yet your posts are the most inflammatory on this thread!

If ponies are really your religion, if you honestly think a MOC plastic horse is equivalent in any way to one of the world's great masterpieces, then I think you have a problem. Seriously, there is a question of proportion here.
 
Well, I know what Desert means. No she's not saying they are her religion or anything stupid like that.

Just that she doesn't consider them plastic toys anymore - they are collecter's items to some people more than others. She's probably like me in that they are a memory of chilhood that I want to treasure, and I have no interest in brushing their hair!

And I must say that it kind of upsets me that your post sounds like it's kind of rubbishing ponies as collecter's items

omg, I'm going to shut up now! I promised myself I wasn't going to get involved - it's my brain doing it, not me!!

CALM PEOPLE


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ukconfetti said:
Are you serious Desert Rose?

I noticed you used the word 'holy' about ponies in a previous post. :shock: . There must be posters here who are devout and I am surprised none of them have taken exception to this.

You say you don't want to start a flame war and yet your posts are the most inflammatory on this thread!

If ponies are really your religion, if you honestly think a MOC plastic horse is equivalent in any way to one of the world's great masterpieces, then I think you have a problem. Seriously, there is a question of proportion here.
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Uhm, first of all, how are my posts the most inflammatory? I'm just expressing calmly like everyone else what I think.
I think this was a pretty rude and serious acusation from you.
I'm just saying how I look at it, how I look at the MOC's. That there's a limitid number and shouldn't be even less of them.

And no - ponies are not my religion. You can't just jump in at any part and turn what I say into something completely different.
I meant holy as in they are not as usual as the regular pony. There's something special about them since they are still what they once was.
Saying that "I have a problem" is the rudest thing yet on this thread... so don't try to make me sound like the worst person here.
 
GroovyGusty said:
Well, I know what Desert means. No she's not saying they are her religion or anything stupid like that.

Well why use the word 'holy' then, apart from to be inflammatory? Actually I think MLP is dangerously close to being some people's religion.


And I must say that it kind of upsets me that your post sounds like it's kind of rubbishing ponies as collecter's items

Um, I'm a collector too. How exactly am I doing that?

My Little Ponies are a commercial product mass-produced for financial gain by a big corporation. Sure, we have an emotional investment in them. Yes, they are important to us. But to equate them in any way with the world's great art simply shows an amazing lack of proportion IMO.

No it's not OK to draw a beard on the Mona Lisa, because that is one of the world's treasures.

Yes it is OK to draw one on your Ice Crystal if you want, because that is a mass-produced plastic toy.

In a hundred years nobody will care about MLP but the Mona Lisa will still be going strong.
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I am sure many of you have seen my personal quote that is attached to my posts :twisted:

Ponies are not holy.

They are not historical one of a kind masterpieces.

They are collectable yes but they are made of a substance that will eventually deteriorate. There is no way to stop this process, no special chemicals or treaments like they use on artworks. No reinforcements like they can do to an aging building. Plastic just won't hold up forever, moc,mib or loose...doesn't matter...they will all be gone.

I have some moc's that stay moc due to their rareness. I have many I have opened for the sheer fact that after years of looking I couldn't find that perfect mint one loose. I also have had moc/mib that I gave to my daughter *gasp* a child no less! *double gasp* for her to open as special presents.

Years later, the ones we opened are in the best shape and most special to us. The ones on the walls still in their packages, well, they make nice wall decorations but they have no emotional connection for us. ( ok, my 3 MOC Jewelry Babies do but that is super rare)

With all the things happening in the world you would think this would be put into better perspective. No collector should feel bad for any choices they make for their own collection.

Live and let live. I like to be happy for others when they get to do something that makes them really happy. No one will be on their death bed regretting having opened a MOC/MIB MLP.

Lil Alley Cat
 
I don't think Desert_rose meant anything religiously when she mentioned 'holy'... we don't need to bring religion into this, because we all know how everyone feels. Religion is what you make of it, let it go at that.

I treasure my collection. I have no MOCs...I would be too tempted to open one, and like Glorfindel says, it might JUST be the last MOC there ever was, and you opened it. I do agree with that. That's why I don't have any ;)
 
Uhm, first of all, how are my posts the most inflammatory? I'm just expressing calmly like everyone else what I think.
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OK, here is how you might phrase your post if you just want to gather people's opinions -

"I am aware there are different opinions about this, and I just wondered what you all think. Some people think it's fine to open MOC G1 ponies, some think they should be left MOC. I personally opened a TAF baby once, not realising it was mint in bag! Now I have made a decision not to open any more. How about you".

If however you want to start a flame war, it's good to use some phrases like these - and I quote -

I DO NOT want to start a flame war.
I personlay think it's worng
Ripping them of cards or out of packages I could never do. It would feel like such a crime
So how about you? Guilty or not
They are holy to me when they are MOC

See what I mean?

I've finished posting on this btw, and thank you to everyone on this thread who has made interesting and constructive comments, I enjoyed reading your posts. I'm sorry if my love for fine art has got in the way of my objectivity and I have not meant to offend anyone. I stick to my views though.
 
Once again you take things right out of a centence and turn it into something else.
You are right now the only one here creating a problem.

I said in the begining that I did not want to start a flame war and I did NOT need to know peoples opinions on this cuz' I know they are all different. I never once asked for peoples opinions. I asked what they HAVE DONE!

There's a huge difference and you are twisting my every word. So it's you creating the flames right now. No one else.
I actually thought even though people expressed their opinions that it was calm untill you started attackng ME for whatever reason. Other people write just as provocative stuff as I do if you look at it like that.
Maybe you got a personal problem with me? Then just come right out and say it instead of twisitng my words and attacking me.
 
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*gets out the popcorn*

Thread locking in 5...4...3...

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DR, you may not have asked for others opinions but you gave your own lengthy opinion in the first post, hence,inviting others opinions. Dangerous territory here.

If you didn't want others opinions you shouldn't have provided your own and left the initial post as a poll or simple yes/no question.

I have been a part of this community in one way or another for 7 years now. I am older than 80% or more of the posters here. I have learned I don't always have the most tactful ways of saying things so I learned to not say so much.

You may want to consider your words more carefully.

Lil Alley Cat
 
I mean, people are always complaining about how they have no money on here, yet people buy MOC's and then open them. *shrugs*
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I think some of the MOC collectors have been receiving a false impression about people who open. I said before, but I'll say again I have NEVER OPENED A MOC. I have a Greek MOC and she is STILL on her card, and she's the only one I've ever bought.

I think some people are getting the impression that lots of collectors are going out, spending tons of money on MOCs just to open them, depleting the supply for MOC collectors, and that's just not the case. It would take a very special case for me to spend the kind of money MOCs go for if I was planning to open it. I look for loose ones because I'd rather have them loose.

I'm just saying that IF I were to buy a MOC with the intention of opening it, it's no one's business or concern but my own. With the prices that many MOCs bring, most people wouldn't buy them unless they were planning to keep them that way. If I found a good deal, however, you never know. :)

I understand that you don't understand why someone would open it. That's fine, and I can see your point. But the fact is, there's nothing you can really do about it. If you want all the MOCs, buy them up and keep them that way. But some of the vehement reactions I've been seeing from people on this issue are just...over-the-top.
 
Also...it's always a good idea to sneak "IMO" in there somewhere. Not everyone is going to agree on everything, we just have to be careful how we word things, and not to step on others opinions or beliefs, that's when bad things happen. I'm sure many of you saw the debate board and the registry name update and get like..."god galaxy22586, shut the **** up" lol...we just have to be careful how we word things ;)
 
I may not see eye to eye with Desert on some things but I agree with her, Confetti, that was rude. I'm not going to harp on you though as DR already said what she felt was needed.

A lot of us refer to some ponies as 'grail' ponies. If that small thing offends you I'd hate to see what else you get offended by.
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ukconfetti said:
Secondly, these items are plastic toys. They were created to be played with by children. There are millions of them out there and they are ephemeral. It really, really doesn't matter, in the great scheme of things, whether or not a MOC Ice Crystal exists in the universe. He is not a painting by Titian.
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Clarice Cliff was made to be dined on, like ponies were made to be played with. It doesnt mean people eat on her plates though. They collect them.

I don't have butterfly island and don't plan to either, lol.

"In a hundred years nobody will care about MLP but the Mona Lisa will still be going strong."

A hundred years ago ago nobody cared about van gogh. You don't know what will happen in the future.

I don't think Desert meant anything religious when she said holy either. Sort of liek when a pony is someones 'holy grail' they don't mean religiously.

Things only started to get touchy now. What a shame.
 
Yeah, this will probably be locked soon.

I thought it was going pretty great =/ That people took it calmly.
Ah well...

I know I'm not very good at choosing my words right. I have a thought and I write it. Might not always come out as I plan but hope people understand anyway since I try to keep it nice anyway. Guess that doesn't work either eh? =/

In the begining I was only trying to say that I don't aprove of it but have done it. And that's pretty much how I put it the first time =P Don't know how to put that differently. If you don't understand why I wrote that there's not much more I can do about it.
 
I understand what you meant, DR. Like I said, even if I do not see eye to eye with you all the time, I will give you the courtesy of having your say and read it from an open objective. :D
 
Thanx MT :)

I know you can never agree with anyone all the time, but no reason for hard feelings for that :)
 
I'm surprised that this is about the only problem we've had with this thread. I expected a flame war, to be honest.

And that's all I have to say about that. :)
 
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