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I suddenly recalled my friend telling me about kosher marshmellows with fish gelatin. (You can tell if you melt'em)Fish oil and fish oil byproducts are used as a cheaper filler
So… ponies aren’t a good collection for vegans?This may have not been brought up or it’s been a while, the big reason for a lot of the disintegrating hair is due to fish oil and fish oil by products used. Fish oil and fish oil byproducts are used as a cheaper filler and binder for the manufacturing of nylon hair, and also other plastic and rubber products. Sure it gives a nice shine and can be silky smooth but it does not last long and there is a chemical reaction between the nylon hair and the glue used to hold the hair in place.
EwwThis may have not been brought up or it’s been a while, the big reason for a lot of the disintegrating hair is due to fish oil and fish oil by products used. Fish oil and fish oil byproducts are used as a cheaper filler and binder for the manufacturing of nylon hair, and also other plastic and rubber products. Sure it gives a nice shine and can be silky smooth but it does not last long and there is a chemical reaction between the nylon hair and the glue used to hold the hair in place.
G3 was early to late 2000s- just a correction. G2 was closer to mid 90s thoughYou guys - it's probably because that hair is not nylon- it was very likely polypropylene (or a mix of poly and nylon). Polypropylene is cheaper than nylon, but basically breaks down after 20-30 years. Or less if exposed to freezing or high heat. The timing is about right since G3 was the mid 1990s. From the get go, it feels a little dryer.
From sources: https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/a...they-get-cold/ and https://www.creativemechanisms.com/b...pylene.-part-2 https://www.thespruce.com/comparing-...-fiber-2908806 )
You can kind of tell if your pony has polypropylene hair- by pouring water onto it. Poly is not porous, so the water basically runs off of it instead of soaking in (you may have noticed flyaways couldn't be tamed by water).
Info to know (from above):
It is a kind of plastic with a known "high thermal expansion coefficient" - melting temperature of 320-347 Fahrenheit (160-175 Celsius).
It is known to become brittle when frozen.
It is also a kind of plastic that is susceptible to UV degradation- so sun will accelerate disintegration.
It is known to have poor resistance to chlorinated solvents and aromatics. So gel or hairspray could accelerate the disintegration.
It is also just susceptible to oxidation. Apparently it breaks down after 20-30 years.
How can you tell if it is polypropylene? Well, I'm not sure how age impacts this- but you can kind of tell just by pouring water over it. Look at this video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiUJRy0JUQD/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Poly is not porous so when you pour water over poly, it basically just rolls right off. It also can't be dyed. It is also really lightweight.
Thanks for the tip on how to tell the difference.You guys - it's probably because that hair is not nylon- it was very likely polypropylene (or a mix of poly and nylon). Polypropylene is cheaper than nylon, but basically breaks down after 20-30 years. Or less if exposed to freezing or high heat. The timing is about right since G3 was the mid 1990s. From the get go, it feels a little dryer.
From sources: https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/a...they-get-cold/ and https://www.creativemechanisms.com/b...pylene.-part-2 https://www.thespruce.com/comparing-...-fiber-2908806 )
You can kind of tell if your pony has polypropylene hair- by pouring water onto it. Poly is not porous, so the water basically runs off of it instead of soaking in (you may have noticed flyaways couldn't be tamed by water).
Info to know (from above):
It is a kind of plastic with a known "high thermal expansion coefficient" - melting temperature of 320-347 Fahrenheit (160-175 Celsius).
It is known to become brittle when frozen.
It is also a kind of plastic that is susceptible to UV degradation- so sun will accelerate disintegration.
It is known to have poor resistance to chlorinated solvents and aromatics. So gel or hairspray could accelerate the disintegration.
It is also just susceptible to oxidation. Apparently it breaks down after 20-30 years.
How can you tell if it is polypropylene? Well, I'm not sure how age impacts this- but you can kind of tell just by pouring water over it. Look at this video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiUJRy0JUQD/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Poly is not porous so when you pour water over poly, it basically just rolls right off. It also can't be dyed. It is also really lightweight.
Unfortunately the test doesn't work if they used a nylon/poly blend, but you can also just FEEL the difference pretty easy, even with blends. Nylon feels softer, silkier. Poly and poly blends feel very lightweight with a slightly rougher texture. A lot more flyaways. The best way to tell is to just get a pony (or doll) that you know is nylon, and feel the difference.Thanks for the tip on how to tell the difference.
Thank you for the great information!Unfortunately the test doesn't work if they used a nylon/poly blend, but you can also just FEEL the difference pretty easy, even with blends. Nylon feels softer, silkier. Poly and poly blends feel very lightweight with a slightly rougher texture. A lot more flyaways. The best way to tell is to just get a pony (or doll) that you know is nylon, and feel the difference.
Also contrary to the description on "Dollyhair" - Poly also does NOT feel like Seran.
And yes, sorry- 2000s were the G3. But that is still coming up on 20 years, and since the process of disintegration s significantly accelerated by pretty ordinary things like UV and heat, I'm sure lots of ponies are experiencing hair loss much earlier.
You guys - it's probably because that hair is not nylon- it was very likely polypropylene (or a mix of poly and nylon). Polypropylene is cheaper than nylon, but basically breaks down after 20-30 years. Or less if exposed to freezing or high heat. The timing is about right since G3 was the mid 1990s. From the get go, it feels a little dryer.
From sources: https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/a...they-get-cold/ and https://www.creativemechanisms.com/b...pylene.-part-2 https://www.thespruce.com/comparing-...-fiber-2908806 )
You can kind of tell if your pony has polypropylene hair- by pouring water onto it. Poly is not porous, so the water basically runs off of it instead of soaking in (you may have noticed flyaways couldn't be tamed by water).
Info to know (from above):
It is a kind of plastic with a known "high thermal expansion coefficient" - melting temperature of 320-347 Fahrenheit (160-175 Celsius).
It is known to become brittle when frozen.
It is also a kind of plastic that is susceptible to UV degradation- so sun will accelerate disintegration.
It is known to have poor resistance to chlorinated solvents and aromatics. So gel or hairspray could accelerate the disintegration.
It is also just susceptible to oxidation. Apparently it breaks down after 20-30 years.
How can you tell if it is polypropylene? Well, I'm not sure how age impacts this- but you can kind of tell just by pouring water over it. Look at this video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiUJRy0JUQD/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Poly is not porous so when you pour water over poly, it basically just rolls right off. It also can't be dyed. It is also really lightweight.
Unfortunately the test doesn't work if they used a nylon/poly blend, but you can also just FEEL the difference pretty easy, even with blends. Nylon feels softer, silkier. Poly and poly blends feel very lightweight with a slightly rougher texture. A lot more flyaways. The best way to tell is to just get a pony (or doll) that you know is nylon, and feel the difference.
Also contrary to the description on "Dollyhair" - Poly also does NOT feel like Seran.
And yes, sorry- 2000s were the G3. But that is still coming up on 20 years, and since the process of disintegration s significantly accelerated by pretty ordinary things like UV and heat, I'm sure lots of ponies are experiencing hair loss much earlier.
Thank you all for the tips about this kind of hair. Now it looks like I have an answer about why my secondhand Swirlypop’s hair just won’t seem right. It’s also a reason why I think I just can’t seem to get used to her as easily in my collection as my other secondhand poniesView attachment 58163
I doused my two Rainbow Flashes and you can really tell the difference . . . Pony on the left has nylon hair, her hair looks and feels wet and is visibly damp. Pony on the right if polypropylene or whatever; her hair was immediately dry, the water just rolled off it.
The water test should also work for Petal Blossom.
View attachment 58163
I doused my two Rainbow Flashes and you can really tell the difference . . . Pony on the left has nylon hair, her hair looks and feels wet and is visibly damp. Pony on the right is polypropylene or whatever; her hair was immediately dry, the water just rolled off it.
The water test should also work for Petal Blossom.
I realize I am 12 years late to this thread, but when searching up her hair color for this exact problem I was led here! Either via trading of hands for over a decade your pony made her way to me, or this is in fact a problem with the hair color itself. Given Jazz arrived with the hair in the package, just separated, I'm willing to assume it's the fault of the nylon material itself and not your particular pony. All this time I thought whoever owned her previously just really hated pink and cut it exactly at the base!
When they released Rainbow Flash and Petal Blossom, you could get them as a single-packed pony OR with a free baby pony. (Flower Flash or Romperooni.) The single pony and the bonus-baby version were available at the same time, and they cost the same amount.Thanks for posting this photo- this is a perfect example!
How crazy they would do her in nylon AND also in polypropylene - was it a different factory or did they just run out of nylon hair?
Its a risk but as long as theyve been well taken care of (no direct UV or extreme temperatures) their hair should last okay!Oh no! So a bunch of my ponies might go totally bald?
OMG that's so funny about eyeshadow. "Shadow palettes"!I really hadn’t heard of a non-pink/orange rotting colour until now and I assumed it was because red is such an unstable dye colour… what with fading pink and how some humans are allergic to red dye going near their eyes (why most eyeshadow palettes only call themselves “shadow palettes” now, omitting the word “eye” and putting tiny warnings on the back so they don’t get sued if you have an allergic reaction. )
But yeah I guess the answer really must just be that some factories used Nylon and some factories used Poly, we already know that similar issues happened with Furbies, and that Mattel has horrible hair glue oil seepage issues on only SOME of their dolls.